Obama's EIligibility Hearing with Orly Taitz--Sept 8th
About 130 people filled 2 court rooms in anticipation of this moment. Judge Carter is an excellent judge, fair and tough. Obama's defense team had filed a motion on Friday (before the holiday) that never it made it to Carters office by time of hearing. Orly wanted to proceed to present a witness, which was denied. The Obama team knew nothing of this witness and had no opportunity to depose him.
Preceding this, there were some procedural matters to be reconciled. A couple of the Plaintiffs ceased wanting Orly's representation and had chosen another attorney...so the manner in which this transfer was done came under question. Orly claimed that she and the other attorney had irreconcilible philosophic differences on how to handle this case, and apparently they have much tension between them. Judge Carter suggested they try and 'get along', because he was trying to "teach" them: "if you think you want to go your separate ways prosecuting, then this thing can drag out for years. I would rather adjoin your cases and we can wrap this thing up in a few weeks. It serves the American people and President Obama each, to get this concluded as expeditiously as possible". Orly remained concern that the other attorneys case could taint hers. Carter assured her that he was bright enough to make a ruling on the 'good parts', that she need not worry!
In my opinion, Carter was very supportive, patient, and sympathetic to Orly. (she does not see it this way, but I won't make a comment on that). Procedural errors has been her bane all along. This is highly complex and she is a relatively new attorney. Rather than admonish her for procedural errors, he actually helped her; laid the entire agenda out step-by-step for both sides to adhere to, and fast-tracked the entire process. Hearing is re-scheduled for Oct 5th.
MSM was not there. A Research Analyst for Fox News was there, as well as 2 independent documentary film crews. Orly, her start witness, several other people and myself were all interviewed on camera. I have not seen any release as yet though. (of any of us)
Sine the Federal Court House is in downtown Santa Ana, it exists in the heart of a strong Latino community. While milling about outside with the film crews, had the opportunity to speak to 4-5 passerby Latinos whom had all voted for Obama. Each one of them now regret their vote!. Certainly this is a very small sampling, but I just love hearing news like that!
It was hot! (had to walk for what like seemed forever in a suit and new dress shoes that were killing my feet)! We had to wait outside the courtrooms for 2 hours before being seated. The hearing never took place! I was hungry, grumpy, hot, tired, with achey feet....it was all good! :)
Preceding this, there were some procedural matters to be reconciled. A couple of the Plaintiffs ceased wanting Orly's representation and had chosen another attorney...so the manner in which this transfer was done came under question. Orly claimed that she and the other attorney had irreconcilible philosophic differences on how to handle this case, and apparently they have much tension between them. Judge Carter suggested they try and 'get along', because he was trying to "teach" them: "if you think you want to go your separate ways prosecuting, then this thing can drag out for years. I would rather adjoin your cases and we can wrap this thing up in a few weeks. It serves the American people and President Obama each, to get this concluded as expeditiously as possible". Orly remained concern that the other attorneys case could taint hers. Carter assured her that he was bright enough to make a ruling on the 'good parts', that she need not worry!
In my opinion, Carter was very supportive, patient, and sympathetic to Orly. (she does not see it this way, but I won't make a comment on that). Procedural errors has been her bane all along. This is highly complex and she is a relatively new attorney. Rather than admonish her for procedural errors, he actually helped her; laid the entire agenda out step-by-step for both sides to adhere to, and fast-tracked the entire process. Hearing is re-scheduled for Oct 5th.
MSM was not there. A Research Analyst for Fox News was there, as well as 2 independent documentary film crews. Orly, her start witness, several other people and myself were all interviewed on camera. I have not seen any release as yet though. (of any of us)
Sine the Federal Court House is in downtown Santa Ana, it exists in the heart of a strong Latino community. While milling about outside with the film crews, had the opportunity to speak to 4-5 passerby Latinos whom had all voted for Obama. Each one of them now regret their vote!. Certainly this is a very small sampling, but I just love hearing news like that!
It was hot! (had to walk for what like seemed forever in a suit and new dress shoes that were killing my feet)! We had to wait outside the courtrooms for 2 hours before being seated. The hearing never took place! I was hungry, grumpy, hot, tired, with achey feet....it was all good! :)
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Permalink Reply by AmyNY on -
Thank you so much for sharing this and keeping what is important on the front burner. I appreciate you bringing intelligence to your fellow citizens.
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Permalink Reply by EmilyLP(TM) on -
Savant,
Bless your heart! I want to see videos of all of the interviews when you have a link for them. That is VERY good news about the Latinos who have voter's remorse because they are the other group O is trying to appease, particularly with the SCOTUS appointment, and now that many of his own are "seeing the light".
Now, let me say this -- as a person who has worked in the legal field most of my life (not in CA), it is VERY GOOD NEWS that the judge is working with Orly and giving her some help. This tells me he feels "the case has merit". She needs to remember this and keep up the faith and continue. Maybe Judge Carter, like the rest of us, is curious why they've spent millions to keep anyone from seeing the birth certificate---that interests the hell out of me, especially with the hearings on John McCain.
I'm scared of the damage that Obama has done and will continue to do until next January, though. I'm really proud of all of you who stood for hours in the heat and held out to do this and I thank you. And, I thank you for keeping us informed.
My favorite bumper sticker now: "Honk if you have Voter's Remorse" -- can't keep it on my car because I can't handle all the noise from horns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Permalink Reply by Antoniette (TM West) on -
Thank you my friend for the update, this thing is been dragging for to long, it's time to put it for rest for the sake of this Country, so we can move alone with our life's, at least in this issue.
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Permalink Reply by Montanalady on
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This sounds like verrry good news. It is time we get answers on this usurper to the office. He is ruining our country with the people who are behind him. We all know he is not the BRAIN of the office. He was groomed just because he was well spoken and colored, a white man could not have gotten by with what he has done. Look how McCain was vetted why wasn't Obama? These are things that need to be answered to know who was behind him. I am NOT a racist !!!! I would have backed Colon Powell several years ago, but I am intellegent enough to see around this Man/child who is trying to rule us.
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Permalink Reply by Bruce on -
Sav, Who is the "other" attorney, and what is his/her background? Any idea what the "irreconcilable philosophic differences" are?
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Permalink Reply by Savant Noir (Admin) on -
NOt sure what the philosophical difference was, his name is Gary Kreeps, and he and Orly clearly have no lost love between them. Orly kept insisting that his approach she feels will jeopardize her case...the Judge said he woudl figure it out and that it would make no difference in his rulings. (thats the good news).
Thsi reminds me of experience I had with a speeding ticket. I pleaded not guilty, and before pleading my case I told the judge..."your Honor, I have 3 really good defenses planned, if my first one fails, do I get to use my other two excuses"? He said he would allow it. SO the point here is that Judge Carter could have ruled for them to get their act together and get on the same page...but, he will accept all arguments.
Bruce said:Sav, Who is the "other" attorney, and what is his/her background? Any idea what the "irreconcilable philosophic differences" are?
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Permalink Reply by Joan Sperry on
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I just pray this moves forward.I am getting tired of them just dragging this on and they need to know its getting to all of us too.I know I am still in there fighting for them to get this matter took care of and get him out of there too.
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